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Right now the u.s./russian relationship, as important as it is, and biden wants to stabilize it and create a floor under it. in some ways, the reason he wants to stabilize sit china. so over the next couple of days, in the back of our mind, we ought to be thinking, not simply how does this provide a context for a meeting with putin that hopefully stabilizes this relationship. but if you can do that, it freezes up the deal more with china. >> let me ask you about. we had ambassador john bolton on last week, saying, he probably should not have set this meeting up with vladimir putin yet. i'm won...

Erdogan, with whom he has a tense relationship to this point. >> jonathan lemire, greatly appreciate it. let's go now to james stavridis. he's international security and diplomacy analyst for nbc news and msnbc. admiral, russia invaded crimea, invaded ukraine, interfered with our election, have ransomware attacks, and yet it serves us little purpose to be provocative. so how do we -- for those of us bo want to have a constructive relationship with vladimir putin, how do we do that when

Less than even. >> and admiral, we all remember back in the late '80s, early '90s after the soviet union disintegrated, the concerns about nuclear weapons and where they landed. the concerns about the chaos that can spread across the former soviet union and into russia, obviously, were life and death concerns. >> indeed, they are. and in many ways, joe, we ought to worry more about russian weakness than russian strength. and what i means by that is precisely your point. what happens in this massive country, declining population descends into some level of chaos sitting on top of 9,000