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Seth, is it true? >> well, the threats today are certainly different from what they were in 2001, erin. i would say the challenge that the president has now is looking for his own intelligence community assesses afghanistan is with the taliban government that has strategic level, down to tactical level relations with al qaeda and afghanistan is on a trajectory to once again become a safe haven for terrorist organizations and, you know, it's really hard to put as fine a point as we just saw with the isis-k attack against u.s. forces. isis is still active. there are a number of anti indian group...

Military mistake that's been made by administration even in the past 20 years, just stop. stop. and be a serious grownup leader. that's not what you're being. the stububstantive point is getg americans out. the president said they will keep trying to do it. the bigger question is seth's more important point than kevin mccarthy's and serious point is the war goes on, what brings america back in? president biden may want to quit afgha afghanistan. afghanistan may not want to quit on us. the war on terror doesn't want to quit the united states. but there is a chilling if he can and kevin mccarthy...

On the ground versus the words that we're hearing from their leadership. >> your context of terrorists melting into the taliban is really important for this next question because seth today, president biden talked about why he got out of afghanistan, right? he made his case. he said there is no vital interest in america being there now because the united states already succeeded in doing what it set out to do. here he is. >> the fundamental obligation of a president in my opinion is to defend and protect america. not against threats of 2001 but against the threats of 2021 and tomorrow. that is...

Have a lot more control on the ground, certainly then the afghan army had when it was in control, there are still huge questions about how they can sustain that control when they are also in the business of governance. it is a lot easier to be an insurgency than to be govr erni a country. david petraeus said we have to be right every time. they just have to be right once. that's what the taliban is up against and it remains to be seen whether they can provided a quit security and prevent this country from becoming a safe haven again. >> clarisa, seth and david, thank you very much. next, the...