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kind of effect that might have on this, and we just have to wait and see. this is the first stage of what is going to be, like you said, weeks, months-long, perhaps a years-long process. we watch the first baby step on this. >> as we talk about the issue of severability, i really have gone to television law school, and we talked about moving this case into federal court. if kenneth chesebro, if he is successful in getting, sorry, if chesebro is successful in severing his case, that bodes well for, sorry, is don trump's successful in severing his case, that would have an effect on everybody else in this case as well, correct? and likewise, if mark meadows is able to move his case into federal court, that also would apply to everyone in that case, in this case. is that correct? >> it's not clear. the removal statute says that
underway after the surrender. >> yes it's already started. >> that's not happening in georgia, right? it will not likely not have until september, is that right? >> perhaps. and we'll see. the judge has the sort of expedited schedule, and so we'll see what other motions get fired even before september, right? already we've seen mark meadows trying to remove this to federal court. we don't know what kind of effect that might have on this. we'll have to wait and see. we were still in like, this is like the first stage of what's going to be, like you said, weeks, months-long, perhaps a years-long process. we just watched literally the first baby step of this. >> barb, as we talk about the issue of severability, i have gone to television law school, and we talk about moving this case into federal court. if kenneth chesebro, it's really still unclear, even now. a. if he is successful -- sorry, if chesebro is successful in severing's case, that bodes well -- sorry, if donald trump is
in georgia, that actually is a decision that prosecutors typically have a lot of input into. what's the sequence of cases. when there's a severance. here, we've got one defendant who wants his case tried early. he likely's first peg up. there's a rule in georgia that says, once a speedy trial act demand is made, if the case isn't tried within those two sessions of court, then that defendant is entitled to have his case dismissed. so, we can be certain that this case will go to trial on time. as for the grounds for severability, although there's one legal focus, it's generally viewed as a defendant needing to come in and show that there are some prejudice involved. some violation of his rights. if he's forced to go to trial with other defendants. the way that happens the most often, rachel, there is what prosecutors, what lawyers call a -- burden problem.
there's a rule in georgia that says, once a speedy trial act demand is made, if the case isn't tried within those two sessions of court, then that defendant is entitled to have his case dismissed. so, we can be certain that this case will go to trial on time. as for the grounds for severability, although there's one legal focus, it's generally viewed as a defendant needing to come in and show that there are some prejudice involved. some violation of his rights. if he's forced to go to trial with other defendants. the way that happens the most often, rachel, there is what prosecutors, what lawyers call a -- burden problem. it means you have a defendant who is going to go on and his evidence will prejudice people. >> joyce, thank you. very clarifying, as always. and valuable to have you here tonight. i want to slow us down just for a moment. if you've been doing the dishes and walking around doing, stuff
is the state protecting the integrity of its elections. but, when you look at the severability of this and the fact that chesebro is going to go first and likely it is going to comfort into different pieces, i do wonder if we are not baldinelli going to be turning our eyes to washington d.c. in the supreme court, because i think donald trump is going to do everything in his power to push this as far as he can and, you know, they're gonna be real questions about federal versus state, depending on what happens in the next election. there are a lot of open questions about whether conclusion will be seen anytime soon, but man, it is a real stress test of democracy to see federal protection and state protection intersecting in this particular moment. >> the pool reporter who is with the former president as this is happening has confirmed that former president donald trump is inside the fulton county jail right now. we saw his motorcade arrive at the jail, we surmised that he had gone in. he is in the vehicle that we
depending on the outcome of that case, where there is a conviction, whether there is enough ferments on appeal, there's still that indelible, physical record of the testimony. >> joyce, in terms of the judges next actions in the fulton county case. you're describe a the decisions about severability, for example, whether the 19 defendants will be tried altogether, whether they split. if they'll be split. that's all decided by the judge. on what grounds does a judge decide whether or not defendants should be split into separate trials? is it totally up to the judge, as to who goes first? >> yeah, so, it's interesting. in georgia, that actually is a decision that prosecutors typically have a lot of input into. what's the sequence of cases. when there's a severance. here, we've got one defendant who wants his case tried early. he likely's first peg up.
president could simply direct the justice department to refuse to defend the appeal. and the case would be over. even if that happens, here in georgia, some of the evidence will be shown to the public on television. people will see the witnesses. they will see their demeanor. depending on the outcome of that case, where there is a conviction, whether there is enough ferments on appeal, there's still that indelible, physical record of the testimony. >> joyce, in terms of the judges next actions in the fulton county case. you're describe a the decisions about severability, for example, whether the 19 defendants will be tried altogether, whether they split. if they'll be split. that's all decided by the judge. on what grounds does a judge decide whether or not defendants should be split into separate trials? is it totally up to the judge, as to who goes first? >> yeah, so, it's interesting.
is a scary process because the physicality of it is those people through that process are very aware that the jail is over there, the bailiff is over there, people with weapons are in charge. the judge feels way more powerful flanked by the people with weapons. and you start imagining even for a second what if this was your long-term reality. >> and i was actually commenting the last thing he thinks donald trump thinks of before he goes to bed at night is the clang of the jail cell door shutting behind him. i just do wonder what happens, because as you point out, this is the state protecting the integrity of its elections. but when you look at the severability of this and the fact that chesebro is going to go first and likely this is going to come apart into different pieces, i do wonder if we're not ultimately going to be turning our eyes to washington, d.c. to the supreme court, because i think donald trump is going to do everything in his power to push this as far as he
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when justice barrett came for confirmation the democrats surrounded her with giant pictures of people who would lose their healthcare because they said she was put on the court specifically to vote in this case and to strike down the aca a. some of us went on the air and said look, that's just not true, this case is exceptionally unlikely to overturn the aca. it was a very technical case dealing with severability, there was a standing issue and some of us said it's almost -- i mean, it's not within the realm of any likelihood that they would strike down the aca in this case. arthel: let me jump in. we've got 20 seconds. there's the other side of this the particular coin and that is, yeah, justice barrett was -- she was nominated nine days before the election where you had merrick garland who was he refused nine months in advance, and that was president obama's nominee and now minority leader