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>> i mean in washington at doj, are there any special procedures that lobbying contacts or maybe who will lobbyists work for before they are given prosecutorial authorities? >> i'm not sure what kind of person you are speaking with. if you are talking about front-line prosecutors there is a background check. everybody unsure here is familiar with the sf 86, and that's true with the main justice. >> there is no special review for lobbyists that have to be engineers. >> i don't believe there's a difference. >> lets ask about political consultants. political consultants are people who get paid to...

>> you mentioned that you have made a similar referral of jared kushner to the justice department for reportedly intentionally omitting information multiple times on his security clearance application. do you think that having jared kushner have that clearance is a threat to national security? >> absolutely. i had to throw out these sf-86 security clearance forms, i had a security clearance before entering congress, and right on the form it says, if you make false statements or omit material acts, you can be fined and sent to prison. jared kushner had to send in two forms. the first two were f...

Yesterday. what is your hope? what do you hope to get out of this by sending this letter and requesting more information on kushner's security clearance? >> i already had a security clearance. i had to fill out an sf 86 form. on the form it says if you make false statements or omit material facts, you can go to prison for up to five years. jared kushner not only sent in one false and misleading form. he sent in two. congressman don buyer and i have made a criminal referral to the department of justice. asked them to investigate jared kushner to see if he should be indicted for putting in false...

Compartmentalized information. the ts is granted. the sci was not, is still not granted. i filled this out. i held the clearance before. when you fill out the sf-86, it is not a small document. >> no. >> you have to go back and list. and as you correctly pointed out, anderson, jared is a guy with a vast web of international contacts, and you have to go through your rolodex, and every contact, whether you shook the guy's hand or the woman's hand, you had tea with somebody to where you had an actual financial transaction must be listed. and if it's not, you can't just simply update it. you have ...

Financial transaction must be listed. and if it's not, you can't just simply update it. you have to file an amended sf-86. so there is an incredible sequence and dance that goes through here. and if you're like phil that's been doing this for 35 years, it's pretty easy because you started and then you updated every year. i met one person in a conference. i did this. when you have to go back for 15, 20 years and list it, it's a pretty dogging task. >> but his first form was blank. >> settling it is no mean feat. that's not saying it's an excuse, but it's a little more in-depth than people might...