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Clinton. his white house counsel, charles rough, asked the question does keeping the president in office put at risk the liberties of the american people. and i would argue that a president who interferes with an upcoming election puts at risk the liberties of the american people, and that's where democrats ought to be. that's why this is fundamentally distinguishable from all the other investigations of donald trump. this is about subverting the political process. >> rena, do you feel the president or his attorneys will put up a defense? will they come in and participate in these proceedings?...

There is no factual defense for what he's done. there's no constitutional defense for what he's done. so, they're just going to wave their arms and say that the process is flawed and stand back and not participate. not only of course will the president not likely participate, but he is preventing the key witnesses that he says could offer exculpatory information -- pompeo, bolton, mulvaney. if they can somehow exonerate this president, why on earth are they so timid and shy and frightened to come forward and tell their truth? >> all right, congressman dan kildee of michigan. thank you for bein...

Zelizer also. and so we have these deadlines for the white house to get involved in the impeachment inquiry. to some extent it has been complaining that it hasn't been involved, but now the time is here. will the white house engage or is it as kristen says they may not be because it would now legitimize the process that they have said is unfair or incorrect? >> i think kristen is right. so far there is no indication that the president or his legal team will participate in these hearings. all along they have been calling this a sham process. and so they haven't said that they plan to participat...

Are two deadlines, one tomorrow deals with a hearing wednesday and the other is more sweeping. the president has some decisions to make. and will he send his lawyers, white house lawyers to attend the next impeachment hearings? will he request some of his own witnesses? this choice puts the president in a bit of a bind. because he has complained that he's been excluded and at the same time he derides impeachment as a sham process. >> the president spending the rest of this long holiday weekend in florida. and facing a new deadline from house democrats. by 5:00 p.m. december 6th, the white hous...

Conversation. thank you for that. joining me now, anne gearan, white house correspondent and john harwood, cnbc editor at large. welcome, guys. kelly did a great job setting it up, as the president seems to be between a rock and a hard place, because you've got chairman nadler, who's offering the president and his attorneys to appear, to call witnesses and the like. so that really refutes the argument that they have no say in house proceedings. how, john, do you think the white house reacts now? >> reporter: well, i think there's one additional element to the dilemma that kelly was describing,...