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Feeling that they've been cut out of this. and then by virtue of that, saying it's unfair. so, that's one argument. but if they were to embrace participation in the hearings, then they, in effect, legitimize them. and they've also been arguing that it is an illegitimate, sham process. so, that means the president has sort of a rock and a hard place decision. if he takes part, he can really be constrained in calling it illegitimate. if he doesn't, then he continues the ability to not mount his own defense within the confines of the impeachment hearings. so, that's the dilemma, and we'll have to...

Liberals on the democratic side would be able to invite their witnesses and republicans are saying there might be some conservati conservative academics who would be able to also participate. we don't know if the chairman is going to permit that, but that's one indication of a way that republicans would like to see the committee expand what it's doing. so to give you a sense of it, the clock is running. the president has some decisions to make, and what we know is up until this point they have said what's been happening in the house is a sham process that has cut the president out making it se...

To make. and what we know is, up until this point, they have said what's been happening in the house is a sham process that has cut the president out. making it seem unlikely that he would want to engage in that process. but we don't yet know for sure until the president and his legal team make a decision. richard. >> so, kelly, ear to the ground. you always have. go, no go? do we know whether the president will say yes or no? any indications here? >> well, i think because the president has some options, which would include participation or not participation. we know one thing is wednesday he ...

House lawyers would like to participate in the first impeachment hearing, next wednesday, and whether they would like to participate in this proceedings in general. if they decline they will lose a number of privileges. if they do participate it could be seen as legitimizing what they call a sham process. >> house chairman jerry nadler telling president trump in a letter he has now until next friday to determine whether or not he will participate in the next round of impeachment proceedings, in addition to a sunday deadline whether they will participate in the first impeachment hearing set for...

Wants due process. it sounds like the white house is not going to send counsel. they think this is a sham process. they are winning so why send the lawyer? >> it doesn't surprise me they are not going to. it's disappointing. i am glad you pressed congressman gates about this. they have been running with this narrative which is wildly untrue since republicans were in secret meetings and allowed to ask questions. why not send your counsel? the house has the power to impeach him and then there will be a trial in the senate. there are independents to want to see the president take this seriously. ...