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penalty issue. the nine times penalty is required for work rformed without permit per table 1-a-k of the 2010 san francisco building code. i sympathize with the fact that the owner was getting water in their house, and, you know, any of us would want to remedy that situation. my thoughts are that it would have been probably better had been -- would bei, and i, for glad to go out there and look at the situation, give them advice regarding water-proofing or what permits would be necessary. and it's really unfortunate to see this structure that was taken down. so i leave it in your hand...

in writing to mr. johnson and to the board that makes it clear what it is that -- what action actually has taken place, on what permit. and then mr. johnson, you have opportunity to submit additional briefing. i don't know if the board wants to set a page limit. leave it to the same 12 pages as usual? >> vice president fung: i think that's okay. >> by october 18, mr. johnson. and then the department will have until november 1 to submit any response documents. >> thank you. >> on that motion from commissioner lazarus to continue this matter to november 7, and again it's to allow time ...

requires a building permit be obtained for the rebuild of the structure, with planning department approval. permit application 201207245594 was filed on july 24, 2012, reviewed and approved, on september 10, 2012. now, what was approved was a site permit. so it wouldn't qualify for actually doing the work. it was a conceptual design mainly for the purpose of having planning approval. so they now have a site permit which has been approved, but not issued, and we are here, i guess tonight, to deal with the penalty issue. the nine times penalty is required for work performed without per...

actually doing the work. it was a conceptual design mainly for the purpose of having planning approval. so they now have a site permit which has been approved, but not issued, and we are here, i guess tonight, to deal with the penalty issue. the nine times penalty is required for work performed without permit per table 1-a-k of the 2010 san francisco building code. i sympathize with the fact that the owner was getting water in their house, and, you know, any of us would want to remedy that situation. my thoughts are that it would have been probably better had been -- would bei, and i...

>> is there any other commissioner comment? no? okay. call the roll please. >> on that motion from the vice president to reduce this penalty to two times the regular fee, president hwang aye, commissioner hurtado is absent. commissioner lazarus this is reduced to two times the regular fee. >> item 9 has been continued to october 10, 2012 (10) appeal no. 12-093 keith doerge, appellant(s) versus department of building inspection, respondent planning department approval. 2865 vallejo street. protesting the issuance on august 01, 2012, to shane busch, permit to alter a building (work rel...