They both were determined to know everything about everything. they did not have any structure. the world was keeping them away from the books. they couldn't be denied. they ended up when they get together realized how much they had in common. when i was done, neil, i think we wouldn't have needed the 60s had john wilkes booth had not wiped him out. >> neil: and near the end of the book you talk about by the end of the 20th century, lincoln came off of his pedal. douglas rose from obscurity. today these two men occupied a share space in the american experiment. doesn't lincoln have that advant...