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Against democrats in the mid-terms. they're targeting vulnerable incumbents and tying them -- or tying to them what they've already decided is just a liberal justice. could that be a winning strategy for them? how much do you think the supreme court factors into how people -- we know it worked for republicans because trump campaigned on promising to appoint pro-life justices despite the fact that people rejected so much about his personal beliefs, yet they went along with the fact he was going to put pro-life justices on the supreme court and he did deliver for them. >> right. but i think that...

In and day out, year after year decade after decade. and i think there's just something about the human brain that develops coping mechanisms that teaches you how to like someone you would otherwise hate where you have to be constantly sitting right next to them and dealing with them in situations, so i think breyer excelled at the human relations aspelkts of his job. i think he probably disagrees with everything sam has ever said, they'll figure out how to be friendly with him, how to be chums with him. she is not willing to make those kind of compromises and so we will see what happens if a ...

The supreme court. this has to happen now. and this is a really important step. >> mark, your most recent piece touches on the conservative backlash. you write that republicans are laying the groundwork to single out whoever this next justice will be as unqualified and inferior for decades to come. think we're imagining things just ask justice sonia sotomayor, and it's true the way they have portrayed her as unqualified persists to this day. how can the court's history show us what we might see in the coming months? >> well, republicans have been running the same play book against women of col...

School. what kind of dynamic could a new justice bring in? because the truth is it's not going to change the fact you have a super majority for the conservatives on the bench. >> right. this is a one for one swap. the court's ideology will remain the same. at the same time breyer was very much a conciliatory voice. i thought when his retirement was announced he was too conciliatory and he was too eager to search out compromises and was too willing to sacrifice his own principles in order to get some kind of tradeoff with the right-wing bloc, tradeoffs that have been increasingly difficult to s...

>> kim, put the justice nomination on the side for a second. let's talk politics of this. could democrats energize the base with a historic appointment? i mean, president biden in the polls is struggling right now. could this be a turn around moment at least for this year with this appointment with his base? >> i think this is our moment. and the answer to that question is absolutely. we stand ready. she will rise is the only initiative that is singularly focused on ensuring we nominate and confirm the first black woman to the supreme court. and if we increase diversity on the entire federal j...