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Just showed in terms of mr. trump and mr. jogiuliani seeminy deliberately instilling that fear and stoking the fires of resentment in this witness. >> so you think his fear is physical safety, or do you think his fear is prosecution of his family? >> it's probably both. my understanding today was his family had real reason for physical fear. >> i see. >> the toxic social media environment in which we live. >> do you know -- i don't know if you've kind of organized what his testimony was going to be, but do you know what the scope of it was going to be? was he going to be able to talk about thi...

Has to be examined very closely, could be indictable. >> should mueller and his team investigate? >> very definitely. robert mueller should include in his investigation already of obstruction of justice these statements by rudy giuliani and the president and possible agreement between them. and my view about rudy giuliani is that that kind of statement should be investigated for additional facts. i'm not saying he can be indicted today. but it has to be included in robert mueller's ongoing investigation. these kinds of tactics smack of what the mob does, clearly, what is very, very -- really o...

Liberties. >> bill: we have a two-minute warning for the president so i may have to interrupt you. if that's the case, we don't know what ex text bob mueller is investigating that aspect of the leadership of the fbi. your headline, should mueller report comment on non-criminal conduct? will he or won't he or should he or should he not? >> i hope he doesn't. he should not. in the hill, i make the argument that a prosecutor's job is to indict and charge or not indict. it is not enter job to issue reports about noncriminal conduct. remember, they only hear one side of the issue. they don't hear e...

Probe he's engaged in and wants to battle with the idea of voluntarily or subpoena, it drags it out further but in reality mueller doesn't need to be beholden to giuliani and the requests and the mandate, the type of questions he'd like asked. it's also about collusion and whether somebody is a part of the trump campaign knew more and who was the head of the campaign? donald trump. >> very interesting. gloria, is the president's legal team serious about an interview with mueller's team face to face or drag it out? >> well, you're assuming that the legal team agrees on everything. that's not my...

Probe investigating the members of the campaign none of whom on a ballot would be undermined in this election cycle so there is an argument to be made that mueller's probe can continue even through september, october and november. >> speaking of election cycle, gloria, what do you make of last night the results in two important races in ohio, the 12th congressional district, the republican right now slightly ahead by about 1,700 votes, troy balderson over danny o'connor, still 8,000 votes to be counted. and in kansas, the secretary of state chris kobach slightly ahead by 191 votes over jeff co...