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Finally acted now. let's turn to another sensitive issue. the negotiations of robert mueller and the president's legal team over a possible interview with president trump. should mueller accept rudy giuliani the president's personal lawyer, should mueller accept giuliani's latest terms? >> whatever the terms are, they try to protect the president as much as possible so i don't see why mueller should accept these kinds of conditions and limitations. these negotiations have been going on for months an months. one wonders whether the trump team is really negotiating in good faith and some point i...

That everybody is sort of facing is they go back and forth and back and forth and remember they have gone back and forth since january on this. is the question of whether bob mueller will subpoena the president, should his lawyers say, you know, we are not going to let him testify, for example, on obstruction. and i think there are a lots of sources that we have been talking to who are familiar with what's going on who say, look, we don't believe that mueller will subpoena the president because he doesn't want to drag this out, he doesn't want to take it to the supreme court. so we believe per...

Matter if we are going to get to the bottom of our problems in our society today. thank you both. a new bombshell "new york times" article. there is a big debate raging. did robert mueller have it wrong? should mueller be investigating the obama administration for spying on the trump campaign? we'll bring you breaking details on that coming up next.

This investigation, but you're also starting to see a dip in the general public's views of this investigation and whether it should continue. >> you know what's interesting about that, i want to pull up some of those numbers and ask this of you, betsy, because to kaitlyn's point, 13% of republicans view the investigation as legitimate. 75% of republicans agree with the president. they're calling it a witch hunt. should mueller and the team offer something to the public at this point to validate continuing this investigation, stop giving trump loyalists room to attack, or can they stay successf...

Why doesn't he just do the interview? what is he hiding from the american people? if he truly believes he's innocent, robert mueller is the only person that can clear his name. so it is mystifying to me why he wouldn't do the interview. >> representative, it has been said in one of the headlines we were reading this morning that special counsel mueller perhaps might consider that during the time of the mid-terms -- we know we're just in the start of it, right? in the heat of it. you're there in southern california where it is being debated in san diego for the california gop convention there i...