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Hurt themselves. the vast majority of people who have guns m it -- killed you're l the scale of shooting in am >> every time >> e argument, e >> you have been out in front of this. listen, in the 1980s, i testified -- in the '90s i testified for lieberman with hilary rosen and jack valente on violence in the media. the entertainment industry hid behind the first amendment to line their pockets with billions of dollars in profits and they stepped up. we have a rating system for television, a rating system for video games, rating system for movies and music. that's exactly what the gun industry ...

To do before america goes no, we're going to stop these people getting such easy access to this kind of fire power? >> the vast majority of people who have mental illness problems never hurt anybody. the vast majority don't even hurt themselves. the vast majority of people who have guns never hurt anybody. the problem is you're dealing with such tiny numbers of people and i'm not -- i don't in any way dismiss one death is too many, anything we can do to stop it -- >> what do you call tiny numbers? 100,000 americans a year get hit by gunfire. 30,000 get killed by guns. do you know how many have...

Why am i the crazy guy here? >> no, you're the crazy guy here for a simple reason. we have a system already in existence. the system isn't working. we're finding 70,000 felons trying to buy guns. the government does nothing. what you're saying is let's expand the failed system. >> i agree with you about that. by the way, i'll go further. i think the president is full of hot air. he keeps going down to newtown and places like that, colorado, and saying all the right things, but at the same time, there's going to be no new assault weapons ban, there's going to be no ban on high capacity magazine...

Things. i don't understand why given the five mass shootings in america all involve these ar-15 assault rifles, why are they still available to any other deranged persons in america at places like walmart? why? >> this is the debate. when i talk to my friends that are anti-gun control, and i say do you want to keep guns out of the hands of felons? yes. we're 90% of the way there. now we have to define ak-47 and clips with 30 weapons and weapons that fire 20, 30 rounds at a burst. do you need that to protect your home and your family and your land? can you deal with that with a couple handguns,...

People and the injuries of 58. >> well, yeah, okay. penn gillette, so would stopping him getting such easy access. he had a 100 bullet magazine in that movie theater and an assault rifle, and 6,000 rounds of ammo. how much more does somebody have to do before america goes no, we're going to stop these people getting such easy access to this kind of fire power? >> the vast majority of people who have mental illness problems never hurt anybody. the vast majority don't even hurt themselves. the vast majority of people who have guns never hurt anybody. the problem is you're dealing with such tiny ...