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Why do the nra want to do that? because it sells another 120,000 guns. then we have our kids going to school with guns everywhere. >> piers, even by your standard -- >> why are you laughing? that's what it means. >> that is an absurd comment. first of all -- >> why? >> -- the greatest gun salesman in american history is president barack obama. nobody has led to a greater increase in gun purchases than the obama administration. just look at the last five years. you have gun manufacturers working 24 hours a day, seven days a week to meet the demand. the fact is this president for some reason has...

Why shouldn't guns be regulated exactly the same way as cars, alcohol, tobacco? >> well, you're not talking about whether they should be regulated or not. >> we're not. 40% of all gun sales in america, nobody has a clue who's selling them to who. it's complete madness. >> but do you think that the shootings you're talking about, which are, as you've said, the majority are gang. the majority are handguns. do you believe those will be stopped by background checks? >> how could you have happen what happened at sandyhook and your answer is, according to kelly, kelly, i want to be fair, kelly, do a...

Thought has been how little this has to do with actually keeping kids safe. >> i mean, of all the facile arguments that wayne lapierre puts up against having any new gun control, the idea that criminals won't obey laws seems to me to be the most stupid, because if that was the criteria for any law in america, you wouldn't have any. you wouldn't have any drunk driving laws, you wouldn't have any, you know, under 21 ban on drinking or anything. you would just have the complete wild west, because criminals don't obey the law. am i wrong here? >> look, let's take the examples, and i hate to disapp...

Honest people -- >> that's a great idea, isn't it? arm the teachers. 120,000 schools in america, arm a teacher in every one. why do the nra want to do that? because it sells another 120,000 guns. then we have our kids going to school with guns everywhere. >> piers, even by your standard -- >> why are you laughing? that's what it means. >> that is an absurd comment. first of all -- >> why? >> -- the greatest gun salesman in american history is president barack obama. nobody has led to a greater increase in gun purchases than the obama administration. just look at the last five years. you have g...

Kids safe. >> i mean, of all the facile arguments that wayne lapierre puts up against having any new gun control, the idea that criminals won't obey laws seems to me to be the most stupid, because if that was the criteria for any law in america, you wouldn't have any. you wouldn't have any drunk driving laws, you wouldn't have any, you know, under 21 ban on drinking or anything. you would just have the complete wild west, because criminals don't obey the law. am i wrong here? >> look, let's take the examples, and i hate to disappoint you, but let's take the examples of the recent cases. the yo...