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One of those cities where there's talk of sanctuary cities, talk about standing up to federal law enforcement. i mean, this sounds like what you're saying is that local officials should violate federal law by not enforcing it and not helping federal law enforcement enforce it. again, it must -- i think it would sit uncomfortably with a lot of americans if you were to describe it differently. when i think about the civil rights government, this was the argument of the southern states. they were not going to enforce federal law because it violates our culture and values. so, shouldn't local demo...

This talk of sanctuary cities, there's a lot of talk about standing up to federal law enforcement. i mean, this sounds like what you're saying is that local officials should violate federal law by not enforcing it or not helping federal law enforcement enforce it. again, it must -- i think would sit uncomfortably with a lot of americans if you were to describe it differently. when i think about the civil rights movement, this was the argument of the southern states. the southern states, the local officials would say we're not going 10 to force federal law because it violates our culture and va...