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Upon years upon years. what you've written about and the feelings you've expressed and the chord you've struck goes much deeper and wider than cricket. but i want to talk about your sport, cricket, and your experience. sure. do you think it has progressed? fundamentally changed from the way it was and the way racism worked in cricket in the �*70s and �*805? well, i don't know... i don't know if you could say progressed, because i don't think cricket basically has changed a lot. i'm a little bit worried about the image that cricket has here in england, not necessarily around the world. i th...

That shook me to the core. i messaged my boss at sky and i said, "this game, this sport, that has made me what i am..." not that i couldn't have been something else if i didn't play cricket, but it definitely made me what i am. "..is letting me down personally." and i take it very personal. because when the england team can say, officially, stephen, notjust by rumour, officially put out a press release that they only took the knee in respect of their visitors, what that tells me, if their visitors was a white team, they would not have done it. so, why can't cricket as a sport and as an organis...

Equal human beings, it doesn't matter what happens in the sport. and that chapter, again, with makhaya ntini, with south africa, and they are talking about having a quota system, i do not agree with it. i do not think you should try to change things by laws and regulations. start from the ground level. but, michael, this is really important, what you wrote about makhaya ntini, because he was, i think, the first very successful black cricketer in post—apartheid south africa. yes. he got in his team on merit. definitely. but you and he discuss the south african decision to be proactive, to try...

You are doing. that is not one or the other. it is both. you can take a knee and do whatever else you want to be doing. don't tell me you're doing things behind the scenes. when you... and i'm fascinated that they used jofra archer to put that out. because he is the black fast bowler in that team. yes. yep. when you heard the british home secretary saying that she felt taking the knee was, to use her phrase, "nothing but gesture politics..." "gesture politics." ..how did you feel about that? well, stephen, i'll tell you, i don't have a lot of respect for a lot of politicians, so itjust goes ov...

That you have a means of talking about things. what about the injustices? i think you should. and i think the climate is right now. years ago, we saw what happened to people who spoke out. i think the climate is right now, the atmosphere�*s good right now for people to speak out and not be punished or not be ostracised. your message appears to be that, rather than as a sportsman focusing on what's happening in the sports arena, it is much more useful to think bigger picture and to go much deeper and to focus more than anything else on education. educating the society... now... people... sorr...