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Affordable care act. they open up the bottleneck, the demand is still there, you get five, six, 7 million people in the exchanges before the open enrollment period changes. i think sort of like the political fortunes and rhetoric will shift. yes, obama said, if you leak your plan, you can keep it. now, republicans have been saying, we want to repeal this law, which means taking health care away from people. i don't think passing this upton bill will do them good in the long run, they will be on record saying you shouldn't pass laws taking away people's insurance, how can you support obama care...

To be found unconstitutional. bill: what would be the effect of that, though, if they took the all law and chucked it? >> then i think you work together in a step by step way to get something done, not this 2700 page law that is -- james madison said you shouldn't pass laws so voluminous they can't be read, so incoherent they can't be understood but that's what we have with this health care law. it's the government making decisions. bill: if you get your wish, is that chaos or what is that? >> i don't think it's chaos. first of all it eliminates a number of the onerous taxes that are part of t...