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This book a explitive fool. >> i haven't seen the reference to that. i probably did say that. he's called me worse. i mean i'm pretty -- >> but he's the president of the united states. the man you called a fool. and other names. and that yet you're telling the american public to trust his fitness when somebody as close to him as you has called him dumb in the past. >> well, first of all, he's not dumb. i would say he's not cerebral. he's not going to sit you and he'll tell you this, he wasn't a member of the law review like obama. he's not going to sit there and try to get into esoteric, you k...

Running for president, he was number one, and the week before the debate, he's going to his golf course in scott laland. this is what we're dealing with here. so i have to find time to try to get him and get his attention span while he's also by the way running for president and managing his business. so let me just finish. i go in. and i try to have a brief. let me give you a gotcha question on this and that, gotcha question on this. i can only get to the fourth amendment before four other people are walking in. he tells me to, you know -- >> that's not what you said in the book. you said his...

Number of appearances and has quotes in michael wolff's book. sam, i was just talking to jonathan. you're sitting here and listening. there are people that go and tell him what he needs to hear. sometimes at least. don't talk about this book. he doesn't listen. why doesn't he listen. >> that's a good question. >> in your experience, why doesn't he listen? >> in this instance, if you say to the president, mr. president, this is not a good idea to send a cease and desist. year only helping the sales of the book. you're only helping steve bannon by doing this. he would take it and he would think ...

Along with having the psychiatrists, i think they start doing this, for instance, very, very early on immediately after he was leelected. seems to me contrived. >> you think is a big conspiracy? >> i'm not a conspiracy monger. >> that's what you're saying. people didn't want him to get le elected and now they're trying to take him out office. it's a giant conspiracy out there. >> i think there are certain people, whether it's unelected civilian servants in the federal government or others, you know, that do not want him to succeed. do not like the fact that he's president of the united states....

And that he's not going to do something rash? i ask that question specifically because "the new york times" is out with a report that came out last night, i'm sure you saw it, which says that one of the white house lawyers had to fib to the president about what his executive powers were and firing the fbi director because the lawyer was afraid that the president would do something that was not in only his best interests, but the best interests of the white house. the lawyer in the white house lied to him. >> well, that's the lawyer's issue. look, i think that president in that instance, too, w...