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Bob mueller. >> reporter: they offered official documents and information that would incriminate hillary and her dealings with russia, would be useful to your father. this is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but is part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. guiliani took issue with the notion of objective truths. >> when you tell me he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's silly. it is somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation. >> truth is truth. >> no, truth isn't truth. >>...

So this is -- this is pretty important testimony and it's taken trump 48 hours almost to understand what's going on here. >> the president said he allowed mcgahn to speak with the mueller team and it's true that the initial legal team let it happen but as somebody who knows how this type of thing works, does three days and 30-plus hours worth of conversation sound like a reason that the president maybe shouldn't be so nonchalant? >> i think that's a lot of testimony. that's a lot of visiting and that's just the bottom of what they know. it could well have been much more than that. it was appea...

Gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> truth is truth. i don't mean to go, like -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. >> truth isn't truth. but it's not the first time we've heard a message like this from the president and his team. listen to this. >> you're saying it's a falsehood, and they're giving sean spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts. >> in a situa...

Giuliani suggested doing so could be a perjury trap and in making the case about that on nbc's "meet the press" giuliani gave life to a head-scratching term that is akin to saying the sun is the moon and the sky is the ground. listen for it. >> i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. and when you tell me that you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation about -- >> truth is truth. i don't me...

To robert mueller and his inquiry. >> and let's just listen to what rudy giuliani said to nbc's chuck todd on "meet the press" sunday about the possibility of president trump being questioned by mueller. >> i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. and when you tell me you that know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a -- >> truth is truth. i don't mean to go like -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth...