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If there is no deal, i think the public will be disappointed, who knows how the blame will be spread. if there is a deal, then the president will have emerged looking like the grown-up, he came in at the last minute, put his arms out, pulled everybody together, they'll play this quite deftly and i think john boehner will have been left outside, struggling to pull his caucus and conference with him. john, dana, ed, thank you for the great reporting. we'll check back in with you throughout the program. now, as we just discussed, one of the chief sticking points in the shutdown debate turned out ...

Medicare, medicaid, and call for a revamp of the tax code. >> that's the real story. >> i think the shutdown is a side show it's larger issue of how do we solve the long-term problems. >> what we're talking about in the shutdown debate is half of a% of 1% of the budget. >> it's big. the question is has paul ryan just walked in, you know, to the jaws of -- to the jaws of the democrats or not. and that's the reality. sitting around the table a couple of months ago we were all very frustrated that president obama did not come up with a plan, right? and i think the political calculus was let someo...

I'm an innocent, good-hearted american.we we will go and have diversity and inclusion and so forth. while they actually ignore the real problems. if you have 762 boys being shot south side of chicago in one year, that suggest a aofound, almost unheard-of level of human pathology, particularly in the western world. well, we will believe them again, when theyga begin to have something meaningful to say about that circumstance. >> laura: dr. steele we have talked about this before on radio. you're so insightful on what's happened to the actually debate. i saw this going all the way back to colleg...

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Debt problem. democrats fought every cut in spending that's come along the way. we only had -- as country of three of these pressure points you talked about, 2011 budget. debt ceiling and 2012 budget. we should not hold it hostage. we will be left with only one negotiating point yet. the 2012 budget and nothing left to show for it. >> you are on a one point there, you say only republicans get it. no. they get it when it comes to social security. they get it when it comes to medicare and medicaid. they love the bypass defense. the argument i kept make sing simple. democrats cannot talk about th...