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He did not call mitch mcconnell in the first seven months of his presidency, which is unusual. they are trying to telegraph the idea that they are seeming reasonable to make republicans look all the more unreasonable. >> i am struck how government by crisis is the new normal. now we have substantial chunks of the federal government having shut down, and that's not enough to force action, and so the talk is about rolling this into the next deadline couple of weeks where we could default in the u.s. debt and that becomes perhaps something that gets the actors to come together. there's a growing ...

Achievement being obamacare, his health care law. >> and this shutdown itself, this potential shutdown, is likely to be catastrophic, because not a single appropriations bill has been passed, has it? >> no. you're exactly right. actually, we were trying to find a better impact about exactly how people are affected by this. there are numerous ways to see how the impact will take place tomorrow, if, in fact, there is a government shutdown. we have talked about the hundreds of thousands of furloughs, the ious that some would receive instead of paychecks. but there are also smaller individuals tha...