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Democrats and some republicans being outmaneuvered by the president who fashions himself as the ultimate negotiator? >> i am not sure if that's the case. you have the president not doing much in the shutdown situation. we haven't seen shim publicly since friday afternoon and the proposals he's putting on the table on his twitter account like earning the filibuster in the senate are non starters. as far as getting deals done, he's on the phone with chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell. but so far we haven't seen a deal done. i don't know if it's more of the tail wagging the dog situation. arthel: ...

They see him doing it, and they like it. if you want to relate it back to the shutdown situation, i mean, i think one of the questions everyone is trying to get at is, is president trump going to be blamed for the shutdown? one, right now, only 30% of the country approved of him. those people are not going to blame him for the shutdown. so, yes, while i think mitch mcconnell would like leadership from president trump, he sees the people who like him think he is playing it right, and there isn't really a lot of reason for him to change the way he does anything. >> can we broaden beyond the base...

Democrats to work with him to avoid this. as of the republicans -- the polling shows that they take the blame. no matter who is pulling the levers. >> well, yes and no. america in the era of full partisan tribalism, everybody takes the blame. there is -- i will put it this way, there is enough blame to go around. certainly, the preponderance of the blame falls on the republicans because they control the executive branch in both houses of the legislature. we should also point out that the military is not affected by a government shutdown. it's not like the army says, well, i guess we have to go...

Avoid this. as of the republicans -- the polling shows that they take the blame. no matter who is pulling the levers. >> well, yes and no. america in the era of full partisan tribalism, everybody takes the blame. there is -- i will put it this way, there is enough blame to go around. certainly, the preponderance of the blame falls on the republicans because they control the executive branch in both houses of the legislature. we should also point out that the military is not affected by a government shutdown. it's not like the army says, well, i guess we have to go back because they have a shut...

Five months ago they had said, listen, we have these broad goals, we're going to have a new administration, let's wait until april. well, it is april. there is a new administration. do we have any proof that they're going to get these things accomplished? >> it's going to be difficult especially because the white house has jumped into these negotiations and said we want funding for our border wall, we want language on sanctuary cities included in this funding measure. these are all poison pills for democrats. so they still need 60 votes in the senate to pass this kind of measure, and if they i...