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That, but time is running short. >> and reality check for us this morning, manu. what is a partial government shutdown at the end of this week, if it happens on friday, what does that actually mean for the american citizens who rely on their paycheck right around the holidays from these jobs that would be furloughed? >> it could affect more than 400,000 employees. about 380,000 of whom could be furloughed. there are essential employees who would have to show up to work, but they would not get paid right away. they would probably be paid retroactively, that's what congress tends to do in shutdo...

Next sever weeks and months, obviously the democrats' chances of retaking the house are looking really good. and a lot of times, in these kinds of shutdown situations, you see blame bounce around a bunch of times. i don't think it is a great weekend for trump to have his first anniversary and have the government shut down when he ran on fixing the government. >> cleaning up the mess. by comparison, let's look at the polling before the 2013 shutdown and then also the 95 shutdown. right before the 2013 shutdown, cnn. asked americans other would be more responsible. in 1995 the cnn poll about the...

The fact that we continually run out of money and are continually in shutdown situations is absolutely ludicrous and shows our financial mismanagement. if we have bills -- if we have bills -- piers, if we had bills that attacked funding to the budget that they passed, we would never be in this situation. >> carol, the obvious answer to your crowd-pleasing point is that, of course, the shutdown doesn't help the national financial situation. it makes it massively worse. and this is the problem, is it's so self-defeating. none of these pop tiliticians a acting in the interests of the american peo...

Second. i want to bring in a woman and try to calm things down. carol roth. >> i want to bring some common sense to this conversation. first of all, i want to thank haley for her service. we have to face the real reason why we are in a government shutdown. it is not because of obama care or not obama care, it's because the government has run out of money. we are the wealthiest nation in the world. the u.s. government employs more people than anyone. the fact that we continually run out of money and are continually in shutdown situations is absolutely ludicrous and shows our financial mismanage...

I want to bring in a woman and try to calm things down. carol roth. >> i want to bring some common sense to this conversation. first of all, i want to thank haley for her service. we have to face the real reason why we are in a government shutdown. it is not because of obama care or not obama care, it's because the government has run out of money. we are the wealthiest nation in the world. the u.s. government employs more people than anyone. the fact that we continually run out of money and are continually in shutdown situations is absolutely ludicrous and shows our financial mismanagement. if...