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Security. >> we reject the actions in which a parallel government is trying to be installed in our country. we recognize commander in chief, citizen nicolas maduro. >> john: we are back with our panel, you are the national security expert here. where is this heading? >> this is a tough one, what's important is the number of countries in the western hemisphere that is supporting the opposition as well. i think if you look at the larger picture, this is the first real geopolitical power struggle between us and the chinese and of course the russians in our hemisphere and this new cold war redo th...

"new york times" chief diplomatic correspondent, stevensteven irlanger. thanks for being with us. >> thanks, rosemary. >> president trump is giving every indication he will keep the shutdown until he gets his border wall. but the democrats say he is not going to get that wall. if neither side blinks, the government will be shut down for some time. what are the ramifications of a long-term shutdown and who gets the blame? >> well, in the end, the people who get hurt the most are government employees who don't get paid tons of money. this does not include the military that mr. trump went off to ...

Square one. that's where we are this morning with no sign of a breakthrough in sight, alex. >> all right. let's take a listen to outgoing house majority leader kevin mccarthy. here's what he had to say about this. >> we talked to the president. we needed more criminal justice bill signing. he was hopeful we could find common ground. schumer has changed his position for a weeking a. he's trying to make it critical, and i don't believe the american people should have to be put through that. he shut the government down before. he knew that didn't play out well. >> pointing a finger there at senat...

Suggests and it backs up conversations i had yesterday with some senior people in the democratic senate caucus which is that there are probably a lot of members that don't want to shut down the government .that may be willing to do one last short-term sort of patch maybe for five days or something, a clean bill with nothing attached to it to give them one last chance to actually negotiate, sit down and get something done. but, you know, there's a real risk that it could happen. because you have a very receiptive democratic caucus who don't trust the president, who don't believe that they've be...

Protesters and police officers test one another. it's like a staring contest, only often times with violence and arrests and chaos if one side blinks. >> a person has turned this entire quiet area. we are being sprayed with mace. we are being sprayed with pepper spray. >> you might not call those the greatest hits, the worst hits, police arresting more than 200 people in one night earlier this week.