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Al qaeda really wants to conduct, that carefully planned, slow moving, complex, mass casualty attack against an iconic target. that's a counterterrorism success, and we ought to quietly celebrate that. but these low-level attacks, that's what's left to them, and that's where they're going to go. fareed, in a very unusual way, you might want to characterize al qaeda as an elitist terrorist organization, and isis as a populist one. and we're seeing the violence from isis not coming from the top down but from the bottom up. >> so when we think about isis, how should we think about it? as you say,...

Is that -- is that ultimately its aim, is it -- is it really a side order effect? it really seems focused more on the caliphate? what is it doing here? >> it is more focused on the near enemy, another distinction with al qaeda, who is always more focused on the far enemy, that's us. but if you're asking me fareed what is it we need to do about isis now, number one is we need to try to defend ourselves against the kinds of attacks we saw in texas last week admitting that some of those are going to get through. second, we need to keep pressure on isis main in iraq and syria. and right now, faree...