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Of going out into that room, members of the cabinet, the supreme court up above. are you going to miss that ritual? >> it's a wonderful spectacle. i remember the first time i did it and you're standing behind the door and, mr. speaker, the president of the united states and you walk down that row and members of both parties are on either side and they'll shake your hands and, as you said, you see all of government gathered in one place and -- >> it's the one time of the night where even the opposing side stands and cheers you. >> right. it's not just the cheers. it's the sense of a celebration...

Hill. kelly, i think people who have been paying attention know where each side stands. the question we all can't see if there are any talks happening behind the scenes that seem to be moving forward and everything i've heard from your reporting today, that's not the case. >> not in a formal sense. there are certainly pockets of lawmakers who are looking for an end game while acknowledging one is not evident right now. part of what makes it so difficult if they were to begin negotiations and both sides could agree to that, they would be able to see chess moves down the line. until that point, ...