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Idiot, somebody you know is foolish and goofy and silly and they say i've got 18 kilos of cocaine and i'm going to meet you, i'm going to set up a meeting for you with my guy who can sell you 18 kilos of cocaine, show up and my guy can get it for you and your ridiculous friend makes that offer to you and you show up to a meeting with their friend to in your mind get 18 kilos of cocaine. the friend isn't the person selling the cocaine. they're saying i've got a friend, they have coke, show up and let's get it. if you show up to the meeting can you be prosecuted? >> i think not. >> haven't peopl...

>> it's clear roger goldstone, definitely jared kushner but let me be serious here. there is so much evidence looking negative for the trump campaign, but i also think there has to be some recognition that the players involved may not have told trump himself everything. >> for an entire year? sima -- >> so obsessed with hillary clinton's email. again he has to have known about this meeting. >> i don't think he knew everything. >> i love having you guys. we'll have you back on to have the debate, paul butler "choke hold policing black men" is out this week and sima ayer. whoa!

Right? i got the left colluding -- >> to well nothing came of the meeting. >> nothing happened from the meeting, zero happened from the meeting and honestly i think the press made a very big deal over something that really a lot of people would do. >> to even well what's wrong with a little help from russia? >> hostile foreign power, do we say you can take information from non-hostile? >> joining me paul butler professor of georgetown law school and sima aier, former civil rights attorney. our previous guest his argument was if the person presenting you with foreign help for your campaign is r...

He lies and says well i did but it was about adoptions and then he lies and says well okay, we talked about collusion, we talked about russians helping us but it was just me and my boys kushner and manafort and then now -- >> because the meeting didn't go anywhere. >> why has he lied about it? >> one question, sima, how do you know the meeting didn't go anywhere. >> okay, because at this point there has not been any information that came from that meeting that was brought out during the election against hillary clinton. so that's how i know. >> this is element six. the only way we know, the on...