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Reasons they will have to present through the immigration process. a good portion are being expelled immediately and the likelihood of them winning their immigration cases is also very difficult. but many of them, all of them for one reason or another always come back to the same thing. they are desperately looking for a better way of life for themselves and their families. >> appreciate it. thank you. joining us now is former homeland security secretary johnson. appreciate you being with us. people are coming obviously for economic reasons but that is not under immigration law a reason to cla...

Persecution. >> correct. >> nevertheless, these people are going to be here for years because the asylum claims, immigration claims take years to go through because the sis tep is so overwhelmed. how does this get fixed? >> well, first of all, the courts have gotten way too involved in what traditionally has been an area where the courts defer to the political branches of government to the point where our policy is muddled and confusing. one week it's no you have to end title 42 and another week no you have to keep it. you have to end mpp, keep mpp, d.a.c.a., the same thing. clearly, the state...

Two things. go to the security council and ask for an immediate meeting. the russians will veto anything we put on the table. that will expose them for who they really are. secondly he's got to bring the leadership of congress down to the white house. this is one of those cases where we don't want to have republicans or democrats fighting who lost ukraine. there is anne opportunity to save ukraine, to save nato because what putin wants to do is divide us from nato. he's already tried and been somewhat successful dividing americans from americans. so his policy is to divide and conquer. he is d...