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Suez or the iraq war. this is almost a disagreement about the existential nature of nato itself. should it exist. is it functioning? >> well, the clear message from this meeting, the leader's meeting this week has been that all allies, also those who have expressed some critical concerns, they are committed to nato and to the idea of a one for all, all for one, because we are safer when we stand together. and they're not only committed in words, but the reality is that north america and europe, do more together now than they have for many, many years. for the first time in our history, we have...

It was too late. he was already staring down the storm. are you comfortable with the alert system? sit functioning well enough for people there? >> yes. we always recommend, as does everybody, that you have multiple ways of getting alerts. the technology has gotten a lot better over the years. but still sometimes you have short notice. sirens did hit here fairly early. there was a good warning on that. they resounded a second time as things got worse. the national weather service updated the forecast late morning. this was widely disseminated to the folks that the risk, the threat of tornadic ...

>> how did they stand up for them? >> yeah. what did they get. what did they do for the d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> they showed some fight. when you're in the minority and all you can do is either stand or fold, they stood. and, listen, i agree with you. their hearts were bigger than their heads. they got rolled. they got beat. but i'm still proud of the democrats for trying to stand up for the d.r.e.a.m.ers and those young people saw people fighting for them. that's important. the base deserves to see some kind of fight out here, and they saw it. >> chris, i heard you ask at the beginning of this, or m...

Disruption after you get through the web site, what's happened in health care. hugely disruptive to their lives. if you want to make sure they don't have the added problem of getting ripped off, they should shut the site down, get it functioning, and then test it. vet it. stress test that system security wide so that we can make sure that there are -- you can eliminate all that vulnerabilities that are possible in a site that is this bad and this confusing. >> do you think they will? >> i don't think so because they've -- this is some kind of a political issue. it's just not. if you're on the ...

Just about every major company in america called mackenzie when they need to troubleshoot something. and in this case they did as well. on april 18 of last year, kathleen sebelius appears before your committee, right? that day she said egg will be okay. >> she said the website was moving on track, everything was on track. clearly from this report that is not the case. so we got very serious questions in terms of the kind of testimony. we'll be getting candid testimony from the secretary and others under her in that agency when we were asking those direct questions months ago. bill: here is a s...