>> how did they stand up for them? >> yeah. what did they get. what did they do for the d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> they showed some fight. when you're in the minority and all you can do is either stand or fold, they stood. and, listen, i agree with you. their hearts were bigger than their heads. they got rolled. they got beat. but i'm still proud of the democrats for trying to stand up for the d.r.e.a.m.ers and those young people saw people fighting for them. that's important. the base deserves to see some kind of fight out here, and they saw it. >> chris, i heard you ask at the beginning of this, or maybe just refer to it. who won here? the democrats or republicans. i think we should stop looking at it like that. who won is really the american people because the government's back functioning again. it shouldn't be held hostage by -- >> you call this functioning? >> well, chris, look, it's unfortunate. you're right. i don't call it functioning. when i worked on the hill many years ago we passed a the individual spending bills. i'd like to see it return to regular order. think it's much better for democracy to work like that and for the government to work that way. but in the end, the american people are back.