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The only way to do that is to talk to the central figure in this story. that's jerry sandusky. and when there is corroborating evidence, which there is for much of what jerry says with regard to penn state and joe paterno's lack of culpability, i will use that to try to make the case it was a rush to judgment. >> let's look at this apparent evidence. >> you don't remember snapping towels yourself, do you? >> i'm not actually sure. i would have been more inclined to do slap boxing or something like that. i'm not sure. he always, no matter what we did, he'd always get the last lick in, the last ...

Evidence, which there is for much of what jerry says with regard to penn state and joe paterno's lack of culpability, i will use that to try to make the case it was a rush to judgment. >> let's look at this apparent evidence. >> you don't remember snapping towels yourself, do you? >> i'm not actually sure. i would have been more inclined to do slap boxing or something like that. i'm not sure. he always, no matter what we did, he'd always get the last lick in, the last smack. and then i would chase him and i ran him into a wall in the shower area, where we were showering in and that was it. i n...

Search for attention either from sandusky or ziegler. the fact of the matter there was a jury of sandusky's peers that convicted him of those crimes. to go back and rehatch this, just adds insult to injury to the victims. >> no one has really had an opportunity to hear from jerry sandusky and some of the -- some of what he says in the interviews and reading the transcript is just bizarre. it's so odd, i had play a clip of zeigler's conversation with jerry sandusky. they talk about the shower incident. mike mccreary witnessed. the tone was really, really odd. let's play that. >> you don't remem...