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And it's 100% true, the first time i met kyle, i asked him about rittenhouse, i hadn't seen this video, and i asked him how big rosenbaum was. he said to me, he was over 6 feet and 250 pounds. obviously that was wrong. >> yep. >> that was his perception, as this individual was coming at him. and, you know, one, as i said, he had no duty to retreat. but, two, mr. rosenbaum could have stopped at any time and none of this would have happened. you know, his judgment in running after a person, as he yelled on the tape and it was clearly visible, you aren't going to do s m-fer. and he believed kyle ...

Yelled on the tape and it was clearly visible, you aren't going to do s m-fer. and he believed kyle didn't have the guts to do it. he was wrong. he paid with his life. >> i don't think it was guts. it was bad judgment. it was justified under the law, but i think it's hard. and that's why i asked the question. it's hard to believe that somebody chasing you is going to beat you to death. >> why else was he chasing him, chris? >> probably to get him and beat him up, hurt him. again, my problem is with the law here. look, we don't know what he was going to do -- now we do. now we know that none of...

So why waste money? and that plays on capitol hill. >> well, let me ask you this, goldie. it's interesting that cable's lecture in chief, let me call him, is criticizing the african-american community. considering i took him to dinner harlem. >> i remember. >> at sylvia's restaurant. >> absolutely. >> let me play for you what he said about -- this is him. i'm not quoting. this is bill oh really. >> there wasn't one person in sylvia's who was screaming m-fer, i want more iced tea. you know. >> please. >> it was like going into an italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people ...

You know. >> please. >> it was like going into an italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun, and it wasn't any kind of craziness at all. >> i mean, he expected people to be in a restaurant, sylvia's restaurant in harlem, a family restaurant saying mf-er, i want some iced tea. what is o'reilly interested? is he just riling up his audience? >> i think he really is. there is a name for this. when you prey on the weaknesses of others, when you exploit those weaknesses for your personal gain, there is a word for it. it...

So now you have the possibility of three strong major demographic groups saying to each other we've got a common enemy. so what -- and they're afraid of this cohesiveness that could in fact come together. >> so they change the conversation. >> and so they change the conversation. but what they're trying to say is it's inherent. you can't help them if you wanted to. so why waste money? and that plays on capitol hill. >> well, let me ask you this, goldie. it's interesting that cable's lecture in chief, let me call him, is criticizing the african-american community. considering i took him to dinn...