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Used for corrupt purposes to help the president's friends. you can't leave that standing as precedent. that has to be addressed. that has to be readdressed. but that's just the start of it. two federal judges already have ruled that the justice department under donald trump and trump's attorney general, william barr, lied to the public and the court about president trump's own potential criminal culpability in office. just last month, the federal judge ruled that justice department lawyers under trump and justice department officials under trump have lied to the court about the consideration o...

Is there similar shock today in the legal worlds that the justice department under merrick garland is continuing to that line of argument to the courts? >> yeah, i think it's the wrong decision now. i think if you were to ask them their views, they would say we are defending the office of the presidency and not donald trump, per se. and it's important that we protect to this right of the president to say whatever it is he needs to say in the scope of his duties. but the recent this fails, i think, is the reasons that were stated by the trial judge in this case when he rejected this position th...

Told the attorney general you need to have the fbi meet with the youtubers about this and investigated formally as the former u.s. justice department. now that kind of communication from the white house to the justice department is a very stark, very obvious violation of long-standing justice department policy. for justice department officials to me even having that kind of conversation with the white house chief of staff at all, let alone entertaining multiple requests for him to open these investigations is a serious violation of seriously important justice department policies. now, it is be...

The independence of the justice department and a commitment to be nonpartisan in all of his decisions but i think maybe he's overcorrected. he is reminding me of the dad who coaches his own child in little league and out of an abundance to show just how fair he is, benches his own kid even though he's the best player. nobody notices how far you are if you lose the game. >> on the e. jean carroll case, i remember the shocked across the legal world and certainly the news reading the public when the justice department made this decision that they told the court that this defamation case against t...

Kaplan, rebooted that effectively by saying this. saying, quote, calling a woman he sexually assaulted a liar, a slot, or not my type is donald trump did here is not the official act of an american president. federal judge last full agreed but late last night, the justice department under the biden administration the justice department led by merrick garland said they would appeal that judges ruling and try to continue with the trump justice department's case that trump cannot be held liable for those allegedly defamatory statements that he made. joining us now is barbara mcquade, she's from t...