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Moving again. in the longer term there's no doubt that we have do deal with rising deficits. that's what we do in our budgets, we focus on job creation and job growth, making important investments now. but we make targeted deficit reduction in the out years to bring the outyear deficits under control. we do not want our deficits growing faster than the economy. we want to stabilize our debt but we want to do it in a way that maintains our commitments to our seniors and invests in economic growth. that's what the democratic proposals will do. they'll invest in long-term economic growth. but in ...

For the department of defense. sure they could use that for better things. $72.7 million for the department of veterans affairs. i'm sure they would like to see that in their health care plan. $38.7 million to the justice -- $58.7 million to the justice department. if you're doing smart cuts, you would imagine that these conferences with face time and everything else, these could be one of the things that are cut back? >> it's a natural to be cut. obviously people need to get together from time to time on a face-to-face basis. but let's use some of these technologies that are free like, oh, sk...

Have a role in this. and i think we are missing this is where you to look at the trees. in the mandated cuts let's take the national institute of health. 5% cuts. this is one of the crown jewels of american science. what has -- a the nih has done in these grants and a 5% cut is going to be devastating to them. >> chris: but couldn't you do $85 in cuts that wouldn't be devastating. >> but it is mandated in law and the white house has said you -- >> chris: that is the point of the house republicans. they are saying make smart cuts, not stupid cuts. >> the point i was trying to make before. most ...

Have a role in this. and i think we are missing this is where you to look at the trees. in the mandated cuts let's take the national institute of health. 5% cuts. this is one of the crown jewels of american science. what has -- a the nih has done in these grants and a 5% cut is going to be devastating to them. >> chris: but couldn't you do $85 in cuts that wouldn't be devastating. >> but it is mandated in law and the white house has said you -- >> chris: that is the point of the house republicans. they are saying make smart cuts, not stupid cuts. >> the point i was trying to make before. most ...

Are focused -- examine programs through hearings that aren't working, that aren't living up to expectations. martha: like what, for example, give me an example, something you would like to see go. >> well, because i haven't spent some time really going through it, and hearing feedback on the -- i'm not going to give you a knee-jerk reaction and be irresponsible, we're going to slash and burn. we need to review those programs carefully and then, cut the ones that are not working and that is what president obama will talk about tonight, we need to be sure we're promoting innovation and competiti...