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House. the white house is large organization. >> we talk how there was a lot to unpack. jake said this was remarkable. it was remarkable the breadth and depth. this idea he is coming out and doing a hard media push. talked with reporters again in the last half hour this morning. smart strategy on the part of the president? >> i think it's a smart strategy. donald trump is so different than anybody else we have known who served as a political leader in this country. he's doing all kinds of things i would not recommend be done. some of them don't work. some of them i wish he didn't do and others...

I think we will see president trump very quickly turn on republican lawmakers on this including don mcgahn and leonard leo and the senators and distance himself. and i think the way that he'll do that is by calling out that kavanaugh used to work in the bush administration and using that as a bit of a diss or distancing mechanism. >> well, that's interesting and on that front, kind of, eli, when we hear ben sasse say it shouldn't surprise us that trump attacked dr. ford, is that a senator wanting to have it both ways, wanting us to react with surprise that he's so up front in his criticism of ...

Surprise us that trump attacked dr. ford, is that a senator wanting to have it both ways, wanting us to react with surprise that he's so up front in his criticism of the president, even though he's a consistent and anticipatable yes? >> yes, it is. and he's -- ben sass is sort of the poster child for that behavior. but he's certainly not alone. i think the interesting thing about trump's behavior and mocking dr. ford on stage at a rally earlier this week, you know, if the goal is to rile up the base, then it's a smart strategy. if the goal is to get kavanaugh through the senate, probably less ...

How do we juggle that? >> it's an incredibly complex issue. i think the way that president trump is countering china is the single most important thing, for my foreign policy perspective, that he will do in his presidency. we have not had the stomach to do what it takes to counter china and we tend to look at north korea and china, we look at trade, sanctions, these issues, and i think what is really smart about what this administration is doing -- a lot of people would disagree with me -- i think the fact that we are looking at the chinese, the sanctions in north korea, trying with them in a ...

Available to spaed ie long the process. as it relates to spaeting alook the process, it is not wrapped up yet, but i do believe that in terms of jeopardy to the president, i don't see the downside to having mcgan go talk with them and they said that he was a strong witness. >> he did say he was a strong witness for the president's case, that is what john says, the new york times is saying the president's current legal team was surprised. they apparently surprised the administration enough that the president was making lots of phone calls at bedminster. and this is not me questioning if it was ...