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double dip. a you're not looking at the data and our data. >> are you looking at the data? >> we're not going into recession. you have to realize that because the central banks are lowering rates and china raised rates to get food and inflation under control and they did it, the next move is done. and the central bank of brazil, raised rates and slowed things down and they're cutting rates and finally the european union, that central bank has got to realize you can't have a single mandate and only worry about inflation when europe is in trouble. once they've cut rates, you watch what...

smith, tobin smith. democratic media consultant steve murphy, welcome to everybody. toby, will all of this selling trigger a new recession? >> well, yes, and we're already in a recession. people watch this show for many years and see the research, my company did on recessions and the numbers we have been tracking for the future sales, over the next 90 days, which our key indicator at rolling over, and which means that the gdp growth is recession, we're going to have a recession, it's not as deep, but it's a double dip. if you dent believe we're in a double dip. a you're not looking a...

that going to get people in the mood to hire. >> no, two of out of three jobs have bb created by small businesses over the last ten to 15 years. the small business doesn't care about the infrastructure or five point plan they heard today. what they want to hear, how to obtain a loan from the bank and want more customers and we're not seeing that. there has to be improvement at the top and we have to improve sentiment first of all and come up with everything else. the right now, small businesses are struggling. >> brenda: chris. >> you've got to spend money in this country to create a...

jonas max ferris, and eric bolling. >> and listening to small business to get americans back to work? >> of course, the policy of dealing with big business they don't create the jobs. the two out of three jobs, since 1990 has been created by small business, beyond that, the startups, the health of of the economy are new startups and with the alphabet soup from the obama care to epa, et cetera, startups are down 20% in the new cycle and that's a tragedy for our economy, and that's a tragedy for jobs. we have to eliminate that alphabet soup and guess what, we'll create some jobs, the s...

along with caroline, the professor of politics at occidental college. the best way to bring down oil and gas price, drill more now. >> exactly, drill here, drill now. drill baby drill. instead of making fun of drill baby drill as they did on wednesday. it's not going to be wind mills. contrary to dr. hoffman, it's the not solar panel, not geothermal. not switch grass or corn ethanol. none of those will bring it down other than promising to drill, and it won't happen overnight, but in the course of time. the prices out. price also have to go down. >> caroline, you disagree, why? >> be...