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The idea of sending the message to the mummer team they're going to play hardball, they'll have to subpoena the of president to sit down. giuliani and the team said repeatedly that's a fight they welcome, if it goes to the supreme court. kavanagh talked about this yesterday. >> let me ask you something. is having giuliani as the president's lauryn competence by design or is it just incompetence? you've got in mr. giuliani a guy who is constantly changing the story, and is that because he just doesn't know what he's talking about, or does that serve the interests deliberately serve the interest...

President's lauryn competence by design or is it just inco incompetence? you've got in mr. giuliani a guy who is constantly changing the story, and is that because he just doesn't know what he's talking about, or does that serve the interests deliberately serve the interests of the president to have this kind of fog machine out there, kind of throwing out smoke? >> i think there are moments where giuliani is more concerned about the public debate rather than perhaps being inside the private negotiations with mueller's team. but i think largely it is about the smoke machine, that the president ...

Trick-or-treaters at the white house. the first lady met a mini melania. a little girl came to the white house dressed just like her. that wouldn't be her. but that is her. it's a little girl that wore the costume or the outfit that she wore when she went over to. >> there she is. >> when she went over to greet hurricane harvey victims. it's a cute costume nonetheless. brian: look at the big foot picture. it's fuzzy. ainsley: looks like a group picture and we zoomed in. >> the spirit of all things creepy, right? the first lady did tweet about it. she said had a fun night handing out treats to ...

Starr. van, kushner insists he did nothing wrong. right now there is nothing to prove he did anything wrong. is it possible there's more to come or is it possible that this is, as has been said, a nothing burger? >> well, i think kushner may become an even richer man because apparently he's been able to create a smoke machine so there's always smoke but there's never a fire. every time these guys come before the camera they say nothing is going on, they deny everything and then admit to something they just denied before and now they say we are done. if you see this pattern of denial, deny it, ...

Idea. either way, it looks bad for him. >> i'm curious what you think the strategy is behind sekulow. he's talking about this repeatedly on the talk shows. is that wise? >> i think it's pretty clear what's going on here, a lex, and that jay sekulow and the president himself and his allies are sort of furiously pumping up the smoke machine to obscure the central truth of what happened. these e-mails showed someone contacting donald trump jr. saying we have dirt on hillary clinton, it comes from the russian government. and donald trump jr. was delighted to hear that. saying i love it. that is th...