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They use what we referred to as long-haul smugglers were afghan will pay this directly 15000- 20,000 per person. they receive fake passports and fly into the gulf states of qatar or saudi arabia and then an additional flight over to south america to brazil. from there the smuggling groups basically just daisychain like they do everybody else all the way up from the gap into mexico and then from there, that's where the cartel starts chargin these incredible fees to get them in. we have seen that for some time. i am concerned right now with what has been happening that we are seeing mass groups ...

You with us. let's talk about the discrepancies in numbers. jackie ibanez talking about a drastic deep-freeze down to 3600 but then other reports that it is up to 10,000. why are we seeing different numbers? >> i don't know why there is such a discrepancy but it could be that the larger caravan is breaking up. we saw this happen with the last one in the spring where we know the smuggling groups to infiltrate these caravans so people will feel safer but the smugglers infiltrate them and try to have people bring them illegally and some may feel they have a better chance of getting in illegally w...

Syria, north africa, places where conflict, terror and poverty make this risk worth it for them, even risking their lives. but some officials think there is a different reason. at least one world leader believes there's a direct link between migrants flooding into western europe and the rise in terrorism. is that really the case? kimberly dozer with me now, cnn's global affairs analyst. let's begin with that. i'm talking about the prime minister of hungary saying there's a clear link between migrants heading to europe and the rising terror threat there. is that correct? >> you know, most europ...

This is an unacceptable condition that they're in, but the obama administration has softened some policies over the year, particularly for young people in 2012, deferring deportations for the dreamer set, and that's created some confusion in these countries and allowed smuggling groups or other media to make the impression that once these kids get here, they're going to be protected. and there's some truth that some of the kids are able to stay for various reasons, maybe some for important reasons, because they do face hostility and violence back home, but this is complicated the current immig...

Miles of more open desert. >> sean: they confront the fallout from the porous borders daily. >> snuggling groups that -- smuggling groups that bring marijuana and human traffic through you the area. >> sean: they see mexican cartels operating on u.s. soil. >> they will find indications if there is scouts in the mountains. theyville different women -- theyville different equipment and satellite and radio phones. >> even more water. >> sean: every day dozens of miles north of the border deputies find evidence of ones who managed to get away. >> another one over there. >> the amount of water that...