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Without wall funding. what we're seeing right now is such party loyalty amongst everyone right now, that it's hard to -- it's hard to even talk absent ceout centrists bec they don't go to the floor. >> we talk about the real world effects of the shutdown. they brought 30,000 irs workers so we could have tax refund season on time. that's still unclear. if you got people calling out of work. maybe you do have delays in tax season. and we've got jpmorgan chase saying if this keeps going, you're going to have zero growth for the first quarter. for this administration that has wanted 4%, 5% growth....

Priority. donald trump talks about wanting to make america safe again, a line we've heard from him again and again and yet you have the shutdown that seems to be according to the fbi agents association having the opposite effect. >> the state department had to cancel a border security conference. the irony is lost on the president because according to the reporting out of the "wall street journal" this morning, he thinks he's winning this standoff and is going to wait out the democrats. this is affecting trump voters in trump communities where the spillover effect from the salaries of federal ...

Last night to essentially put out the word that this cannot continue. business ceos in switzerland talking to nbc have said this is embarrassing. this shows american dysfunction, and it's unbecoming of the united states of america, and yet, we have 800,000 federal workers still going without pay. they're either working without pay or are furloughed and by the way, contract workers, government contract workers also not getting paid, and they will not get back pay when and if this government reopens. they're out right now at least a month's pay. so this -- the ripple effect is now extending acro...

The border wall? let's do that. >> so you agree with me. >> anybody else? >> neil: it's more common than they know. an openness on the part of the wall with barack obama and openness with republicans as recently as the first six months of the administration for, you know, what the. wanted to do on daca. so there's more common ground -- >> there's some common ground. the bottom line is this. the democrats know that they need immigration to remain at certain levels in order to maintain their -- keep their majority, keep the presidency. maybe become almost unbeatable in the future. the republican...

When people return to work. does it happen? it happens with hurricanes and other disconnects. he's saying whatever we're feeling now will be made up for when things resume. >> the markets are pricing that in, aren't they? we had the worst december since the 30s. now the best start to the new year since 1987. i feel like the markets are pricing in a snap back. >> neil: i remember how 1987 ended. robert, what is more of a factor for you looking at the markets and the investment and the economy? >> this puts a pause till march. there's no question that the market feels good because they don't thi...