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Jere jeremy, what do you see as the key solutions to our hunger crisis? >> first of all, the snap program it's important to say has worked very well, but it could do the job alone. when we're paying people $7 an hour and housing costs $20 an hour, if you can actually afford an apartment, and food prices are going up, the snap program can't do it alone. we've got to have good, decent paying jobs for people. we've got to be able to provide people with housing assistance. if we do those things, we'll help to reduce dependence on the snap program. right now the program is doing a great job. frankl...

Concerned about is the incredible explosion of the food stamp recipients in america over the last five years. you look at that expansion, you have to start asking yourself are these people that are legitimately on these programs? if you talk to the agriculture committee over in the house, frank lucas from oklahoma, he will tell you 75 to 80% of the farm bill they have now is nothing more than supplement nutrition assistance program, the snap program, food stamps. one of the things we have to look at is do we have people illegally, are people here on a terrorist watch list that are not receivin...

So the problem starts with the exploittation on the part of government because ideologically, they want as many people dependent upon the government as they possibly can. >> greta: all right. so what do we do? certainly, some people have these, some people are hungry and need food stamps and you're saying for some it helps them get free stuff. what are you going to do about those who want it for the free stuff, don't need it and how do you define those people? >> you start by using the correct narrative. we don't need to reform the food stamps program or the snap program, we need to restructur...

Provision of sufficient food resources. >> absolutely. i mean, you ite or you die. it's that simple. and to believe that we can't feed one in four poor children who live in poverty, many who live in abject poverty by providing a basic safety net, a nutritional safety net means we are sacrificing not only their future but our future as a country and our ability to compete in a global marketplace. you know, i find it very interesting that food stamps became front and center during this political debate while 2 billion was spent fighting out a campaign. we had millions, 47 million americans, many...

Because 2,000 dead people are receiving food stamps. >> 7236 people are receiving duplicate benefits. and 286 people are in state exclusion lists. i have no idea what a state exclusion list is but the point is 7200 people. getting two benefits at the same time or more than two benefits at the same time. and some of these people are dead. >> to defend the obama administration they have got so many people on food stamps. i mean,like, i'm sorry to joke about it. but 47 million people on food stamps in this country, which is, what, a 15 million in the last couple of years. so, naturally fraud and ...