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Done. but these never got forwarded to the white house. you think there were a sort of pretty quick realization that, you know, wow, we can't do that. on the other hand, the abduction, the natch operations that mike pam poi was pushing for did get to the white house and did provoke these internal debates within the trump administration that we document in the piece. i mean, this was one of the more contentious intelligence debates of the trump presidency and it was all done in secret. the public had no idea this was going on. >> yeah. and i wanted to ask you finally really quickly, michael, ju...

But there are two things at play here. one is the documents show that the military is advocating to just get tons more drones. but they're also agitating for a return to targeted snatch operations where they actually go in like they did in iraq and early on in afghanistan, do the night raids, take people, interrogate them, that intelligence leads you to the next thing. the argument that they're making in this is that drones hurt our intelligence gathering operations because we're killing people we need information from. you can make a moral argument against this, and i do it all the time. you ...

Return to targeted snatch operations where they actually go in like they did in iraq and early on in afghanistan, do the night raids, take people, interrogate them, that intelligence leads you to the next thing. the argument that they're making in this is that drones hurt our intelligence gathering operations because we're killing people we need information from. you can make a moral argument against this, and i do it all the time. you can make a strategic argument that drone strikes create more new enemies. but also get intelligence. >> it also comes through, there's one article, the haymaker...

But they're also agitating for a return to targeted snatch operations where they actually go in like they did in iraq and early on in afghanistan, do the night raids, take people, interrogate them, that intelligence leads you to the next thing. the argument that they're making in this is that drones hurt our intelligence gathering operations because we're killing people we need information from. you can make a moral argument against this, and i do it all the time. you can make a strategic argument that drone strikes create more new enemies. but also get intelligence. >> it also comes through, ...