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Daughters. it doesn't get more vile than that. matthew's father albert snyder sued the church and won. awarded $11 million because they found the church had intentionally tried to harm them. judge in the case reduced the judgment to 5 million but the church appealed. three federal judges in virginia then overturned the entire verdict saying the vicious protesters have a right to spree speech. then, incredibly, the judges hurt the snyder's even more, awarding the westboro cranks court costs meaning the snyder family has to pay more than $16,000 to their persecutors. i said that's grossly injust...

So they had an obligation to go far beyond what is needed. they had an obligation. >> that's not how our judges operate. >> bill: okay. that's how they should operate. >> they don't operate on heart strings. >> bill: they should operate that way. i'm giving you the last word. >> i want to make this -- >> bill: by putting the 16,000, when they didn't have to, they could have set it aside. they just rubbed the guy's face in it. >> the guy's objections were too late. >> bill: it doesn't matter. >> it does matter, bill. in your world it may not matter. in the actual court of law it matters. >> bil...

Died in this country throughout our history to preserve such a precious right and to have a group of 80 people destroy it and mock it the way they are, it's a crime. it was just a nightmare. they position themselves about 30 feet from the main entrance of the church. and they held signs that said god hates you. you are in hell. semper phi fags. >> bill: i spoke on gma saying that the judges are wrong and cruel to boot and we will assist the snyder family as it takes its case to the supreme court. you can help, too. there is a web site set up, matthew snyder.org. all donations had help the insi...

Articulate those rules. megyn may articulate those rules. as judges they don't have to do that. >> bill: they don't have to but they should. >> i'm not arguing the case they should or should not. >> bill: why not? i'm asking you. >> it would be nice. >> bill: it would be nice. >> it would be great. what they must do is follow the rules and the law and that's what they did. >> bill: okay. you are waffling here. >> i'm not waffling. i'm going to follow the law. it would be great. >> bill: i want judges to be human beings. >> that's a slippery slope, bill. >> bill: i know it's a slippery slope to...

In his life begin? and usually the supreme court is very protective of the first amendment of the rights of free speech. however, what you said at the last part of your talking points is right. that right for free speech is not absolute. there are limits that can be placed on it specifically with respect to the time and the place and the manner of the speech. the westboro baptist church has a good argument because i know the father said that they were 30 feet from the entrance. the facts in the brief say they were 1,000 feet away and that they were across the street and the testimony is undisp...