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Really is listening to their concerns about border security although he may not pivot, will not pivot as far right as of course republicans would like him to. >> yeah, he's certainly, as you say in 2020 more towards the center than some of the other candidates. some suggest, once he got in office, drifted a little bit left with a lot of success. the legislative agenda speaks for itself, where they got passed the last two years. a lot harder with republicans now in control of the house. eugene, officials are telling me that, you know, assuming biden's campaign goes forward, they still are prepa...

Spent the last two years telling their voters that the democrats have been handling so many things incorrectly and if they got into power, they would address those. they have to figure out how to do both of those things in two years, and come up with solutions that will appease voters before election day in 2024. >> so eugene, "axios" has new reporting over the weekend looking at president biden's 2024 campaign strategy. he hasn't announced his reelection bid but it's certainly expected. some people telling me as i reported recently, this announcement could come as early as mid february. you a...

Their personal ambitions trump owns rnc the rules favor donald trump as currently written so i just -- the structure as it is benefits donald trump so eugene, with that kind of advantage already in place, how do you see this playing out? >> well, look, first of all, i love the teal velvet dinner jacket, i want to get one immediately. but, look, we all know that the kind of, you know, intelligent, logic-based argument that matt is making always works, right, this just in -- it never works it never works because politicians don't look at the good -- they're ambition

Washington post." mara is an msnbc contribute. and brandon buck. so eugene, you saw these numbers here. when the numbers are this bad, what, if if anything, can democrats do to turn it around? they are going to be the guys who get blamed it seems like as we approach november. >> they are. one of the big criticisms of the democrat you can party from both sides of the aisle is not having a very clear message in terms of being able to articulate what they have done so far. they really aren't sure what it is democrats have accomplished and why it is they should back them for two more years at leas...

Conveniently think that something from the past, some sense of the republican passed, going to save them from the democratic future. and rely on republicans, rather than forging ahead with policies for voters of the future. and just relying on the sins of the past. that is what i worry about. in additionally, if a year of audits that have come up with nothing, if anything, more though for biden, if the attorney general of the united states and the chief election officer say that there was a free and fair election and multiple laws. if that hasn't changed, republican minds spent up to -- i'm no...