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With mr. mueller to make sure we don't interfere in that investigation. but on the other hand, you know, at the end of the day, the oversight committee has to learn about certain matters related to the russia investigation. if for no other reason that to, you know, put in place procedures and systems for the future to prevent anything like that from happening again. >> so mueller cleared michael cohen to testify. what does that tell you about where mueller is in the investigation? does it -- if anything at all? >> it would just be speculation on my part. i've read some commentary that, perhaps...

About what all of his associates were doing? >> to that point, i'm not sure you heard the sound bite of rudy giuliani, but in the sound bite we played he says robert mueller needs to put up or shut up and essentially he's really narrowly defining what he defines as collusion, essentially saying the president or anyone in his inner circle must have directed and coordinated the russian hack of the dnc for collusion to have happened. this is not even to mention that at some point earlier giuliani has said collusion is not even a crime. that somebody within the president's orbit had to have been i...

That there was conspiracy in the first place. >> frank, let me pick up on that point glen brought up which is when it came to the firing of comey and comey claiming that trump asked him if he could, quote, let the flynn thing go, is that clear enough to make an obstruction case, or did the president have to be more explicit in what he told jim comey to do? >> so we all know that obstruction is about establishing the intent of the person who's allegedly obstructing. do you that through a totality of circumstances. what i think mueller is going to do is he's going to look at the comey firing, bu...

Were there any other trump business dealing with russia that may be problematic? out of all those questions, which of them do you think might be a critical linchpin to the investigation about collusion? >> well, as george saluted to, this is about trying to figure out which piece of a jigsaw puzzle is more important than the other. the answer is they're all very important. but let's look at what we know to talk about what we don't know. we know that in a filing regarding cohen's cooperation, mueller said he provided cooperation central to the russian matter, so i think we're talking about cohe...

Crimes. so by definition, virtually every cooperating witness is a liar. that's why corroboration is the key. when we have a cooperating witness who tells us a story, we're not going to accept that story at face value. we are going to look into every single other source of information, whether it's their computers, their cell phones, gps information, surveillance tapes, collateral interviews of other people that the cooperate or spoke with about these areas of interest. so mueller will not be building any kind of a charge on the word of michael cohen alone. >> so frank, unfortunately, you drew...