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At least he stopped indicting americans associated with president trump. i mean, there was that recent justice department indictment of a russian who allegedly has been working as the accountant for russia's efforts, not just in 2016, but also this year in 2018 to sway our elections. they're a big, well-organized, multimillion dollar russian interference effort to freak americans out and shift our political debate and our candidate preferences in ways that the putin administration would prefer. there was that indictment. so mueller and the justice department are still indicting russians. of co...

And to the best of our knowledge, that's never been resolved. so mueller will either have to decide he proceeds without interviewing trump about obstruction of justice or he goes again and tries to get trump to come in. on the family thing, my personal view, having been a estate and federal prosecutor, is you would always leave them to the end because they're so close to the president. they're very unlikely to be cooperative unless you can already prove a case against them. but they really are sort of to me the last thing you do. >> right. >> and remember, jared kushner was interviewed but onl...

Of course, he should not go on the campaign trail. but the real problem for trump is that he has engaged in unseemly behavior. we know that. he never set up any fire walls between his business, his campaign and his family. that's where michael cohen comes into play. that's where paul manafort comes mayo play, that's where people in the trump organization come into play. so mueller may release the findings on his report on collusion and obstruction of justice, but those court cases can unfurl much further than that. >> ai think collusion is going o be very big. >> you think they're going to fin...

Justice is -- if you look at what happened in the watergate situation, most of the people there were convicted on obstruction of justice. but what you have there is absolute evidence the nixon campaign was involved in the break in to the committee. whether as a defense lawyer or a prosecutor you normally -- you always have the underlying crime because it shows consciousness of guilt, motive. and i don't believe mueller would ever bring a case here just on obstruction. >> and very quickly just the last point i would raise is now you have a unified republican party, which is something this presi...

There may not be a lot left to do. but at the end of the day you have to wonder what all of the time spent for. we have to look at the report. most of the criminal charges are about the false statements to the f.b.i. or totally unrelated crimes. so mueller will have the accounting himself to why we pursued this for so long. if there was so little there. >> tucker: the accounting will take place in court of public opinions because he is above all over authority, right? >> i hope the report will be made public. >> tucker: i hope so soon. soon! it's always great to see you. brett kavanaugh, he is...