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Unrecuse, because you're the lawyer, but i'm hearing unrecusal and i'm wondering if that's even an option. >> right, i don't know how it works. it's knew. but two points to what morgan said, first it's true, on both sides of the aisle, this is gaming in the casino. with nunes this has been gambling in the casino and it's a huge politicalization of what happened, a roughly bipartisan effort. but the bigger part is this, if this is what you believe, that there's mischief on both sides of the aisle. the one thing that is doing it straight, mueller and the fbi simply be left alone to do their job....

That this may -- this last con, this last grift, may have been a bridge too far. so mueller has been systematic, methodical, and as our previous guests have said, he's being very strategic. we've seen also in the past few years oftentimes the way to get to the biggest fish is to go through their son as well. we're seeing it with collins, we're seeing it with shelly silver in new york. we've seen it several times. and so i think the president, as much as he's trying to win in the court of public opinion and he has a solid base and obviously this is great red meat to say look at these democrats,...

Professional manner. >> it went on like that. we try to be as fair as possible here, but what i'm about to say does sound negative about mr. giuliani. the fact is he's a former federal prosecutor. when he claims a prosecutor does not need to interview key subjects of a probe under oath, he knows he's not telling the truth. he knows that's absurd, and he knows there must be some other reason they want to shield their client, donald trump, from going in and telling the truth about what he did or didn't do. now, this isn't exactly a spoiler, but bob mueller doesn't do radio call-in shows so he wo...

Response. certain areas are out of bounds. >> well, in a lot of cases there's what's called interrogatories which are the kind of low stakes written question thing that nobody considers as serious as a real interview. >> exactly, they're formalities. it's no substitute for sitting across from someone and sizing them up. >> and i believe, mike lupica, if you could work on a lyric about interrogatories, you have one minute. you get a minute. no, you work on it. i'm coming to you in a minute. i want to give you a heads-up. >> i'm ready. >> i don't think mueller is going to agree. mueller has been...

Leadership criticisms for this president that we know about, let's be clear and fair. anger, ego, incompetence, that's not enough. the higher bar here is corrupt intent in a person's mind. so mueller is saying, like any careful prosecutor, he must question trump before he can conclude his work. and tonight trump's lawyers are leaking their new ongoing negotiations with mueller to show that as of tonight, they're not accepting this full interview yet. so they're using two tactics. leaking information with their new letter to mueller about a kind of a narrower counteroffer, and also talking to e...