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The republicans said no. so mueller will have the ability to subpoena records and do that sort of circling corroboratory evidence if he goes down this path to try to confirm what cohen says. it is not just other people. there will be pieces of evidence to show whether cohen was even in a position to hear this conversation. >> we're going to squeeze in a break here. when we come back, we have new reporting tonight about donald trump's reaction to that michael cohen audio recording that we just played for you and how shocked the president was when he discovered that that was becoming public. tha...

Russians. >> if i could jump in for a second. there is phone records. there are materials that the house democrats in the intelligence committee did, you know, cite, and wanted to get for the part of their investigation. the republicans said no. so mueller will have the ability to subpoena records and do that sort of circling corroboratory evidence if he goes down this path to try to confirm what cohen says. it is not just other people. there will be pieces of evidence to show whether cohen was even in a position to hear this conversation. >> we're going to squeeze in a break here. when we com...

And that's exactly what bob mueller and the feds want to do here. the big picture here, ari, don't forget, the big question is, did donald trump and his organization collude with the russians, and are they covering that up? i've always thought, and i have reason to think that the theory of mueller's case is follow the money, going back to watergate, follow the money. where is the russian money? how did the russian money get in here. this is one of the things tim looked into. where does the russian money come from, and how does the russian money, prevalent in the late '90s, how did that money a...

Redirect, anything? do you see anything correlations that could be made here? >> i do, fred. here's what's going on. the republicans are clearly alarmed. they may not have done anything substantive to stop trump, this relationship with putin, but right now i don't see how trump could fire mueller, rosenstein or anybody without getting impeached. he can't do it. so mueller's going to keep marching on. we're going to see more facts. we're depending on him to see this relationship. i hope he gets into trump's business connections with russia because a lot of his projects are done with russian bus...

Going to be turned over to the u.s. attorney in manhattan. that's a big problem for him. that's the only way he's going to save himself. >> you see it, richard, as potentially laying the groundwork for, you know, cooperating? >> well, i think michael cohen would be on his hands and knees begging for cooperation right now. i think mueller and the team and the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district want to cull through all of these documents to see do they even need cohen. because the tape speaks for itself, i mean, you play a tape, you don't need cohen, there it is. there's the preside...