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Of mueller's investigation. i don't know necessarily that they are, but let's say they are. if the southern district starts uncovering things about the president's shady business past, they can open a case there. i don't think that's off the table. it doesn't mean he has to come and help mueller, it could spawn more cases just in the southern district. >> although it's part of his plea, he has to basically help the state and federal prosecutors. >> it seems to be a very sweet deal. to me it says a lot about mueller. by my count this is the fifth guilty plea mueller has gotten in one year. >> t...

Precisely because we have regulated campaigns, which means you can't get endless amounts of money, even if they're gifts, in fact, especially if they're gifts. in-kind contributions is an area where a lot of politicians get tripd up. >> it's also worth mentioning in the same interview today, rudy said that you had to doubt whether there was russian interference in the campaign to begin with, and he doubted the information because it came from brennan and clapper. and today trump's own secretary of state, mike pompeo, conceded that it was a reality that the rup russian ecolluded -- or the russi...

What he skands for. >> and michael, this additional "new york times" reporting, "washington post" reporting, all of them have variations of what we're discussing here, but with today's reporting of united arab emirates and perhaps this meeting with don trump jr. came because these countries had expressed an eagerness -- and i'm just reading now from the "new york times" -- the eagerness to help his father win the election, that perhaps the scope now would look wider based on that kind of reporting, that it wouldn't be potentially russia but potentially other countries that would want to curry ...

>> so mueller has been investigating for example the company called cy group that he owns which just few months before that proposed the trump campaign a huge social media multi million dollar campaign that would involve the creation of many fabricated identities, avatars and bots to help the trump campaign. they said that nothing came out of that campaign but we know that the special investigator prosecutors of the department of justice and the fbi have been interviewing mr. nater and officials and workers of that company to see what it has come from that campaign if and what money was paid f...

Even 2024 is really hard to abide if what emerges is as serious as it looks like it might be. >> do you agree with that? >> i do agree with it. i think there is an interesting nuance. the inside baseball point. the way the special counsel regulations have been written is it's permissible but not mandatory for the special counsel to send a report up to the chill. so mueller has to go to rosenstein and ask for permission to indict and then have that permission denied in order to technically cent send a report up to the him it's possible they could just agree they will write a report and accepted...