World, and perhaps because of that, they weren't put off by this. they often seem quite eager to engage. >> and scott, you say that the russians tried to contact trump or trump associates through e-mails, through facebook, through twitter, through veterans groups, through the nra. what about, let's take those last two, veterans groups and the nra. give us those examples. and did those seem to be attempts by russian intelligence agencies to infiltrate the campaign? >> well, you know, i think it's very difficult to say what exactly was going on in those cases and in some other cases. in the case...