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Is there a corner about to be turned? >> i think so. i think the more americans who are participating in these exchanges, the more persons who have insurance and realize they no longer have lifetime caps and are realizing some of the benefits they have in their insurance, i think it will become more popular. but, look, the challenge has always been that the focus has been on the uninsured. 85% of americans had insurance, so it was viewed by those 85%, even though they were the recipients of enormously valuable new benefits under the affordable care act, their view is this was a program for som...

Become more popular. but, look, the challenge has always been that the focus has been on the uninsured. 85% of americans had insurance, so it was viewed by those 85%, even though they were the recipients of enormously valuable new benefits under the affordable care act, their view is this was a program for someone else. and you know, that is what has held down the popularity of this program. it was more like a social welfare program for someone else. when, in fact, it gives greater security to every american with health insurance. i think as people realize that, it's going to become more popul...

Politics. is there a corner about to be turned? >> i think so. i think the more americans who are participating in these exchanges, the more persons who have insurance and realize they no longer have lifetime caps and are realizing some of the benefits they have in their insurance, i think it will become more popular. but, look, the challenge has always been that the focus has been on the uninsured. 85% of americans had insurance, so it was viewed by those 85%, even though they were the recipients of enormously valuable new benefits under the affordable care act, their view is this was a progr...

Let all the churches take care of the poor people. i grew up poor from trenton, new jersey, raised by a single mom. i benefitted from every single social welfare program that existed and was able to go on from there to stanford university and then to t"the ne york times". these programs don't exist anymore. i started working when i was 14 through a summer jobs program for poor kids. that doesn't exist anymore. >> that's the cultural problem. the conservatives are rolling back the social programs that help those people. >> but we can't accept the construct that social programs are the root of a...

And all these other terms that they throw around so lightly. this is entirely too problematic, particularly when entitles and entitlement reform is just fine when it goes to big corporations. >> and can i say on that, reverend, the slavery thing is really atrocious because they're saying government helping folks out, in many cases giving them benefits that they paid for is the same as slavery, suggesting that slaves were well treated by their masters as if this was a social welfare program? i mean, astonishing. >> it is demeaning. >> it is. >> to act as though being treated as chattel is being...