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Schweitzer and steve bannen. why the dramatic increase? why are we seeing there is no reduction, the numbers are quadrupling in a very short period of time. why? >> couple of things. one, i think the underlying weakness of the economy, but two, in 2009, they really loosened eligibility requirements to get on food stamps and they're creating categorical eligibility, which means if you sign up for one social welfare program, you automatically are now signed up with the others. you don't have to do it. i think that's a lot of it. >> sean: let's go to the jpmorgan side of it. jpmorgan, they put to...

Schweitzer and steve bannen. why the dramatic increase? why are we seeing there is no reduction, the numbers are quadrupling in a very short period of time. why? >> couple of things. one, i think the underlying weakness of the economy, but two, in 2009, they really loosened eligibility requirements to get on food stamps and they're creating categorical eligibility, which means if you sign up for one social welfare program, you automatically are now signed up with the others. you don't have to do it. i think that's a lot of it. >> sean: let's go to the jpmorgan side of it. jpmorgan, they put to...

Will be less likely to waive the fee? i understand normally we waive certain fees, whether it's dmv or with the feds, whatever, due to indigence we will help you in this country, this is the type of country we are. this is a different situation because you're talking about folks in the country illegally, they are not american citizens and the whole question is we're already being sort of a gentile nation by allowing them through this program that president obama has set up the opportunity to stay here for an extra couple of years. the question is whether we then need to pay their paperwork fee...

We have to tear this all apart and start over. at first, it was the super pacs, and now this making it a social program, a way around the super pacs. think we should let everyone give any amount they want to any candidate as long as there's full disclosure. make it more direct. >> karen, what do you think? >> nice try, mark. >> i'm serious about that. just be open and honest. >> i agree on the disclosure problem. but here is what is going on in this specific case. they're a social welfare program. you're being unfair to millionaires and billionaires whose profits they're trying to protect. we ...

Is messed up. we have to tear this all apart and start over. at first, it was the super pacs, and now this making it a social program, a way around the super pacs. think we should let everyone give any amount they want to any candidate as long as there's full disclosure. make it more direct. >> karen, what do you think? >> nice try, mark. >> i'm serious about that. just be open and honest. >> i agree on the disclosure problem. but here is what is going on in this specific case. they're a social welfare program. you're being unfair to millionaires and billionaires whose profits they're trying t...